Keep ‘the self’ out of it.

A Reformed Person’s Moment Of HonestyR.C. Sproul by james.thompson

Luther  warns time and time again against finding our assurance or ground on anything within ourselves, be it works or faith itself…all such is not only uncertain but idolatry and apostacy.  Key to this in identifying “works salvation” is not just the rank RC idea of justification or salvation by works, BUT finding one’s assurance and ground (i.e. election, rebirth, conversion, etc…) in works or even faith.  Yet, the Reformed even to this very day say, to quote one directly today about finding one’s assurance of divine election (from an interview on I & E), How does someone know they are elect, “IF you believe these things, THEN you are elect”.  But that denies the reality of Scripture.  As Luther told Erasumus (paraphrased), ‘it matters little, in the conscience where the battle occurs, how many scriptures you marshall in support of your position, I need only find one Word of God to fail it.”  Thus all law and all reason can be over thrown by the same and we have nothing but uncertainty.  Reducing such a “christianity” to false christianity and at length fallen religion with a façade named christianity.

 Then we find an honest but, ironically tragic moment in a open article by a modern Reformed teacher, one whom I dearly love and owe a lot of thanks to in my earlier years as a Christian, Dr. R.C. Sproul.  This I quote not to “pick on” but point out the fatal issue with Calvin and Reformed theology, it ultimately to the best brings nothing but doubt in honest moments when the head is down on the pillow at night.  From an article on, “Assurance of Salvation”, writes (Tabletalk, Nov 1989),

“A while back I had one of those moments of acute self-awareness… and suddenly the question hit me: ‘R.C., what if you are not one of the redeemed?  What if your destiny is not in heaven after all, but in hell?’ Let me tell you that I was flooded in my body with a chill that went from my head to the bottom of my spine. I was terrified.

“I tried to grab hold of myself. I thought, ‘Well, its a good sign that I’m worried about this. Only true Christians really care about salvation.’ But then I began to take stock of my life, and I looked at my performance. [How come you don’t just look to Christ and His promise in faith?] My sins came pouring into my mind, and the more I looked at myself, the worse I felt. I thought, ‘Maybe it’s really true. Maybe I’m not saved after all.’

“I went to my room and began to read the Bible. On my knees I said, ‘Well, here I am. I can’t point to my obedience…” 

Point of order:  This is odd because it is said that secondary proofs such as obedience and the detection of faith (IF you believe this, THEN you are elect) are foundational towers of Reformed assurance!!!

He finishes,  “…There’s nothing I can offer… I knew that some people only flee to the Cross to escape hell… I could not be sure about my own heart and motivation.  

Point of order:  Then how can one know one has faith, Luther’s POINT!  One can’t be sure of one’s own heart and motivation, but I thought “IF you believe these things, THEN you are elect…” to quote Reformed theologians verbatim.  Is that not the warp and wolf of Reformed theology and election, faith is “I believe” rather than “God cannot lie”.  I thought it was this in Reformed religion, “where there is life and salvation, there is forgiveness of sin”, not “where there is forgiveness of sin, there is life and salvation” (Luther).  See how the sacraments cannot help you here in the religion of Calvin and baptist, but then here’s a honest Reformed theologian in a moment of honesty saying, “…There’s nothing I can offer… I knew that some people only flee to the Cross to escape hell… I could not be sure about my own heart and motivation.”

 Yet Calvin in one of his more “Lutheran moments” states a very Lutheran sounding concept, “In short, no man is truly a believer, unless he be firmly persuaded, that God is a propitious and benevolent Father to him… unless he depend on the promises of the Divine benevolence to him, and feel an undoubted expectation of salvation” (Institutes III.II.16)

 A lot of “pro me” in that statement!  But according to Calvin and Calvinism at length I can’t rely on the general Gospel for only the elect are truly saved.  At this point a lot of modern Calvinist theologian apologize for Calvin saying some nonesense about him “being highly nuianced”, he’s not highly nuiacnced he is allowing the devil to dictate his theology.  Confusion is the signature of the devil, not God, and “highly nuianced” is just false cover.

 Again, at length I can’t rely on the general Gospel for only the elect are truly saved.  E.g. John 3:16 is of no help to me/one (benevolent TO HIM, pro me) since the “world” is the “elect” in such interpretations.  And we all know that the sacraments don’t actually effect or work regeneration (Reformed/baptist) and there is no real body and blood GIVEN that was shed for YOU FOR THE FORGIVENESS OF SIN.  And again, according to Calvinism there must first be life and salvation before forgiveness of sin is had, not vice versa (IF you believe, THEN you are elect).  After all faith is “I believe” via this religion and not “God cannot lie”.  If “…There’s nothing I can offer… I knew that some people only flee to the Cross to escape hell… I could not be sure about my own heart and motivation…” and the general Gospel is ONLY effective for the elect and only sufficient but in the end nothing to the reprobate, and the sacraments do nothing at worse or await faith (at best) which is really the same thing…then there is nothing!

 There really are only two religions in the world, the cross is our theology, and all the others even that which parades itself around as Christian from the most buffoning to the most serious exegetical.


 
Thanks, Larry!
 
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By the way, I absolutely love R.C. Sproul !
 
I wish he had more of a Lutheran  understanding of the Sacraments, then he’d have more of the peace that the Lord wants him to have.
 
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“Get off that Ladder!”

Stop by and check out the re-vamped website at http://www.lightofthemaster.com/

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“Live and Let Die”

Toleration is an important word in our culture. It may be important to you. In a “live and let live” society such as ours a certain amount of toleration is expected and necessary.  But tolerance is not the same as indifference. A person may appear to be tolerant simply because he or she carries no convictions.  This is not tolerance. It is indifference rooted in a practical nihilism, and it is all around us.  Is it also a part of us?

 The indifference toward belief which often accompanies the absence of authentic faith is one  thing.  Such unbelief can easily lead someone to conclude that there really is nothing to believe in beyond the self.   Indifference on the part of those who have come to know Christ is something else again. 

 We Christians dare not worship at the American cultural altar of toleration if it leads to this damning indifference. The Christian cannot be neutral or indifferent about belief, not without denying the Lord of the Church.  This we simply cannot tolerate. For the fact is that if we have truly been grasped by the Gospel of Christ we will not be indifferent about the matter of beliefs. 

 If your neighbor were attacked by a robber, wouldn’t you go to his assistance? If a close friend were stricken with a disease of the body, wouldn’t you go to her aid?  So, if your neighbor is captured by false beliefs or no belief at all, is it not your duty as a Christian to wage war against what is ultimately more destructive than thieves or disease? Thieves and disease can rob us of aspects of our lives. Ideas can take the whole person – body and soul. To practice indifference toward our neighbors beliefs in the name of tolerance is, in fact, to “live and let die.”

 Jesus calls you to be vigilant about the matter of beliefs, for there is “one name by which we are saved.” Belief in Jesus is the path God has laid down by which human beings come to authentic faith.  We believe and confess that in Jesus Christ all truth, meaning and purpose are revealed – for all.  This is not a popular idea, nor has it ever been, as the blood of the martyrs will attest.  God may have other avenues by which people are saved. We do not know. What we do know is that our Lord, in viewing the human landscape has said,  “Go in all the world and make disciples of all nations, teaching them to observe all that I have commanded you.”  This is not a formula for toleration as our culture defines it, to be sure. It is something much better.

 These words resonate from the heart of God, who in His love and grace has provided the way of authentic trust and belief through Jesus. When the life-changing truth of the Gospel of this same Jesus Christ is openly and courageously shared, people are freed, by God’s grace, from false belief and no belief.  Their lives are set on the hopeful course of a living faith.  Someone you know needs to hear this life-changing message. May God grant us the grace and courage to care less about the bland tolerance advocated by the culture and more about the truth that God has revealed in Jesus Christ!

                                                                                      Pastor Mark Anderson

 

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From the revamped website of Lutheran Church of the Master, Corona del Mar, CA

http://www.lightofthemaster.com/

 

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‘The Concrete Spirit’

 from Lutherans-online

 

Luther’s Use of Larvae Dei: the Concrete Spirit

 

As a result of man’s sin, the Spirit cannot dwell among us otherwise than in physical things. God could have saved the human race in another way but it is His will to save fallen mankind through external means and to reveal Himself to us in this way (LW 6:128). It is in these forms that the Holy Spirit is clearly exhibited to our eyes (LW 4:121). Therefore, since the Holy Spirit works nothing without externals, it is the responsibility of mankind to apprehend Him where and in what manner He has chosen to make Himself known (LW 4:144). Yet, not every visible or external thing reveals God. Luther believed that only in Christ, and in the forms instituted by Him, does God reveal Himself to man. In the earthly medium of the Incarnation, the Word, Baptism, and the Lord’s Supper, God is clothed and meets us through these external means. They are the God-given means of knowing God. “They are places where He reveals Himself and where He is present” (Bornkamm 1958:98).

In His goodness, God chose to reveal Himself in these physical, concrete and tangible forms. Luther offers five reasons why God comes to us through His concrete Spirit. They are as follows:

(1) Since the beginning of the world, divine wisdom has so ordained and arranged things that there is always some public sign toward which all people might look, in order that they might find, worship, and pray to the true God and be saved (LW 3:107).

(2) These outward and visible signs have been placed alongside the Word so that men, “reminded by the outward sign and work or Sacrament, would believe with greater assurance that God is kind and merciful” (LW 1:248). By means of these visible signs of grace, God shows us that He is with us, takes care of us, and is favorably inclined toward us (LW 3:109).

“I have always displayed Myself to the eyes and ears of men in such a way that they could have become aware of My presence in the sacrifices, in circumcision, in burning incense, in the cloud, in the Red Sea, in the manna, in the brazen serpent, in the tabernacle of Moses, in the temple of Solomon, and in the cloud. And it was My delight to display and reveal Myself in this manner to the children of men” (LW 1:248).

“In the same way the very Word, Baptism, and the Eucharist are our lightbearers today, toward which we look as dependable tokens of the sun of grace. We can state with certainty that where the Eucharist, Baptism, and the Word are, there are Christ, forgiveness of sins, and eternal life” (LW 1:249).

(3) He presents Himself to us in these visible forms in order that we might be kept from degenerating into the erratic and vagabond spirits who boast of visions, revelations, and enlightenment and follow them (LW 2:46). Since we cannot ascend to Him, He has chosen to come to us and reveal Himself within the range of our comprehension (LW 2:47) so that He can be found and known. The true God is not a wandering God but has limited Himself to a place and certain external forms.

As God has provided reliable, concrete marks of His presence, so it is the mark of all false spirits to cast aside the external Word and signs (LW 24:69) and to tell God how He must deal with them (LW 24:69). As a result, they place God and His externals in heaven and devise their own externals (LW 24:69). Yet these fluttering spirits lead us, not to God, but to the devil (LW 6:128).

(4) As God comes to us in these concrete forms, He deals with us in a twofold manner, FIRST OUTWARDLY, THEN INWARDLY. He draws us outwardly through Christ’s Word and the Gospel and inwardly through the Holy Spirit (LW 23:94).

“Outwardly He deals with us through the oral Word of the Gospel and through material signs, that is, baptism and the Sacrament of the altar. Inwardly He deals with us through the Holy Spirit, faith and other gifts. But whatever their measure of order the outward factors should and must precede. The inward experience follows and is effected by the outward. God has determined to give the inward to no one except through the outward. For He wants to give no one the Spirit or faith outside of the outward Word and sign instituted by Him…Observe carefully, my brother, this order, for everything depends on it” (LW 40:146).

(5) He comes to us in the Word, the Sacraments, and the Keys in order to prepare us for His second coming and to remind His people that, until He comes, they are the true church (LW 4:402).

Therefore, in order that God might be known and comprehended, the Spirit of Christ meets us in simple, earthly, and concrete ways. These concrete forms of the Holy Spirit are God’s way to us and a rejection of every way from man to God. They are the common epiphanies or appearances for all Christians (LW 3:168). When God comes to us, He does not hide Himself in a corner but He appears publicly before us all. When we get to heaven, concludes Luther, we shall see God differently but here we see Him enveloped in an image, namely, in His Word and Sacraments.

An excellent topic of discussion.

I know I said I was finished blogging for a while…and I am…sort of.

Go check out the post on Bror’s site titled ‘How do I know that I am elect?’

http://utah-lutheran.blogspot.com/2010/05/how-do-i-know-i-am-elect-by-aw-pink.html

This is a real point of contention for Lutherans and Calvinists.

I gave Bror a heads-up on a post at our buddy Wayne’s site : http://dawgonthelawn.blogspot.com/2010/05/how-do-i-know-i-am-elect-by-aw-pink.html and Bror felt it worthy to examine this list put together by A.W. Pink on how we can tell if we are elect (‘or not’…I guess).

Please leave all your comments on Bror’s site…or go to Wayne’s site and check it out there, and comment there…or both.

Thanks!

 

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Lutherans on other continents

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I’m not sure where these churches are (Ethiopia, I think). But it is good to know that people are worshipping God in the Lutheran tradition in many different languages, all over the world.

It’s good to see Christians of any point of view (Baptists, Pentecostals, Episcopalians, Catholics, etc.) around the world…but for obvious reasons ( I are one ) I feel a special bond with the Lutherans.

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These folks are from Melaka.  Wherever that is.

 

I hear that there are even a few Lutherans in Kentucky…and several were spotted in Utah  😀

 

 

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Off to receive what the world could never buy.

The forgiveness of sins, life, and salvation. The pure gospel. The body and blood of our Savior.Last Supper by Orchard Lake

I need it. Not just once (way back then), but regularly. Because I am a sinner. Because the world cares not about me. Because the devil and his minions would rip me away from my Savior. Because there is a battle going on. It rages on (whether we realize it, or not).

This IS my body. This IS my blood. Broken and shed FOR YOU!

This is not some silly rememberance of something we can’t even remember. This is not some pious exercise where we can see how much faith we can gin up.

This IS God coming to us. Forgiving us. Feeding us. Assuring us. Loving us. Giving us His very life.

Just bread and wine? I don’t believe so. There is much more…much more to it than that.

 

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Quiz question of the day.

Who said this: “If you do not eat my body and drink my blood,  you have no life in you.”

A.  Martin Luther

B.  John Calvin

C. Jesus Christ

D. Rick Warren

E. Larry the Cable Guy 

 

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Calling all Calvinists…calling all Lutherans…

I know a bit about each of these branches of Christianity…but46492 Luther och Calvin 170109 by Gunnar E. probably not nearly as much as many of you.

What are the main differences in the two theologies?

We were discusing some of the differences over at a friend’s blog and I realized that maybe my understanding isn’t all that great.

Have you any thoughts on the matter?

 

Thanks!

“My sin is ever before me.”

 Well…we can’t have that, now can we?Listen and have faith... by carf

The church ought be a “positive” place…right?

A place that ‘uplifts’ you. A place that is ‘not a downer’. Sin is a downer…don’t you know.

We don’t want to hear anything about our lifestyles being sinful…do we?

 

Well…we need to hear it.

ALL of our lifestyles are sinful. “You can’t say that! You don’t even know me!” If you’re anything like me (and I suspect that you are) then I can say that. We have all sinned in thought, word, and deed. By what we have done, and even more so by what we have left undone. These facts need to be kept clear. They need to be ever before us. That we might know our need of a Savior.

Repentance and forgiveness. Death and life. The old and the new. That’s what we need to hear and we’re not going to hear it at the shopping mall, or the ballgame. We are fortunate if we even hear it at church.

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Thanks to Flickr and carf, for the photo.

 

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More so worth seeing (hearing) again, and again

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 Yeah…but… what about my good works!?”

 

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