I think this is just insane

From Jihad Watch:

UK: Christian couple charged withSurreptitious photo taken inside the Chester Beatty Library by olive witch criminal offense after offending Muslims during discussion of religion

Yet another indication of the walking-on-eggshells that British authorities (and plenty of non-British authorities) are doing around Muslims these days. Absurd Britannia Update: “Christian hotel owners hauled before court after defending their beliefs in discussion with Muslim guest,” by Jonathan Petre for the Daily Mail, September 20 (thanks to all who sent this in):

A Christian couple have been charged with a criminal offence after taking part in what they regarded as a reasonable discussion about religion with guests at their hotel.

Ben and Sharon Vogelenzang were arrested after a Muslim woman complained to police that she had been offended by their comments.

They have been charged under public order laws with using ‘threatening, abusive or insulting words’ that were ‘religiously aggravated’.

The couple, whose trial has been set for December, face a fine of up to £5,000 and a criminal record if they are convicted.

Although the facts are disputed, it is thought that during the conversation the couple were challenged over their Christian beliefs.It is understood that they suggested that Mohammed, the founder of Islam, was a warlord and that traditional Muslim dress for women was a form of bondage. (cont.)  Christian-couple-charged-with-offending-Muslims



This kind of baloney is headed here t o the U.S. as well.

This type of thing is already going on in Canada.

I guess it is here already, but it will get much worse.

Should Christians be allowed to speak the truth to Muslims, or anyone else for that matter?

Or, should Christians hold their tongues?






15 Responses

  1. Incredible.

  2. If we hold our tongues, the rocks will cry out. The Truth is the Truth regardless of who believes.

  3. MistiPearl,

    Amen. If we don’t do anything else, we at least ought to mention His name once in awhile and tell people that He really is God and He really did die for them and that He forgives them their sins.

    He will do the rest.

  4. Ezra Levant calls this type of thing “lawfare” or “soft jihad”. Nuisance suits need to be stomped out decisively from the outset.

  5. Brigitte,

    Ezra Levant, http://ezralevant.com/

    has done some excellent work in Canada to expose this kind of persecution of which he himself (along with many others) has been a victim.

    Thanks for reminding me , Brigitte, of the efforts of this man who stands up for freedom of speech and thought in Canada, and who is actively battling the state which promostes this nonsense.

  6. Thanks for summarizing, Steve. It’s not so much the state which promotes this. Steven Harper is really a pretty reasonable fellow as far as he can get his way with this minority government.

    It is the quasi-judicial processes of the Human Rights Commissions which have seemingly run amok with certain causes in rather oppressive fashion. Read Levant’s topical book: Shakedown.

  7. Thank you, Brigitte for the heads-up on ‘Shakedown’ by Levant.

    I guess I should have said elements of the state. There are always those ‘do-gooders’ in govt. that seek to muzzle people and take away their rights to speak freely.

    I have heard good things about Steven Harper.

    Maybe the pendulem will start to swing back the other way a bit.

    Thanks, Brigitte!

  8. maybe the transition from power to lack will thresh the wheat of the church in america.

  9. I think if I found myself in a situation where I couldn’t participate in an honest discussion with Muslims over the differences in our religions I’d listen politely and then when they wanted my response just say, “I don’t agree with a thing you just said” and leave it at that. (I’m thinking the Muslim guests they were talking with were probably setting them up.)

    That could put a cramp in some people’s styles.

    They pretty much want a captive audience and we don’t have to give it to them.

    You can’t force “tolerance”.

  10. “This type of thing is already going on in Canada” (Steve)

    Steve – do you live in Canada?

    Well I do and it ain’t happening any place I have been and I talk with various people from a variety of faiths…of course I don’t use derogatory terminology when talking to someone about their faith so maybe I don’t see it. Then again I don’t take pleasure in berating another person for their beliefs so I cna understand the laws.

    That being said – where I am from – no one is being charged $5000.00 for anything of this sort.

  11. “type of thing” maybe was the wrong choice of words.

    Ezra Levant. Similar vein.

    Bottom line is that you can get into trouble speaking your mind.

    Yes, in Canada, too.

    I don’t live in Japan or Sweeden but thanks to modern technology I have a pretty good idea of what goes on there, too.

  12. The radio had been insistently ‘buzzing’ all day today with the cries and demands of the alarmists at the current climate conference, so it was a real oasis in a desert to hear this plain, straightforward and common sense approach to the so called ‘science’ of climate change. If only this voice was being heard at such events, but the malady of ‘our destiny in our hands’ remains.

  13. Sorry about the above – for some reason it posted to the wrong discussion!

  14. societyvs, are you sure you live in Canada? Have you not been paying attention to what’s been going on with Mark Steyn and Ezra Levant?



  15. Barb,

    I guess that can happen when much of the media is (maybe in Canada also) is asleep at the wheel.

    Charlie Gibson hadn’t heard of the Acorn sting videos days after the fact.

    Very, very biased…and very, very sad.

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