Epiphany experiences

 

 Law & Gospel  Thursday, January 7

    

  

 KFUO Host: Rev. Tom Baker   
 KFUO MP3 audio
     Open Lines (54 Minutes)  Pastor Baker discusses epiphany experiences in light of the Word of God.

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If you can listen in for about 15 or 20 minutes, I think you’ll hear some interesting thoughts on why Lutherans place such an emphasis on Word and Sacrament.

 

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3 Responses

  1. Steve,

    Very interesting piece by Pastor Baker. This to me is the most frightening deception out there because it’s the “white devil” and not the “black devil”. On the one hand its hard to say to such a person, “No that’s deception and the devil…then Christ”, on the other hand such persons will lash out at you because you really are attacking a demonic idol. Attack a man’s God with the Cross in any form and you will get the edge of their sword. By “attack” I don’t mean a harshness, but the nature of the fact that the Cross by its self attacks all such things.

    The plethora of “god” talk sans “Christ” talk is sometimes telling.

    The guys experience I’ve heard personally of people I’ve know before and read many frightening such “conversions” of some of the most famous so called Christian evangelist of the past. To me this is terrifying because it reveals the depths to which the deception of Satan goes. The “love” theme is common, its insidious, it gives me chills, really, thinking about it. Charles G. Finney for example describes his conversion as this time in the woods, almost sounds like this guy, and he felt the “electric” like power over come his body with this over power warmth and love. He goes to great links to emphasize this electric feeling of power, warmth and love all over his body. He calls it the spirit. Next thing you know Finney is “evangelizing” some of the greatest false doctrines to man. And he’s the hero of many a modern “evangelicals”.

    A friend of mine when down and out at a low point in his life found himself in the woods on the verge of suicide, only to see a single drop of dew fall from a leaf. From which he was “over come by this feeling of warmth, love and that everything was going to be alright”. He just knew it was God.

    In the movie “Malcolm X” Denziel Washington playing the freshly converted Malcolm X describes his conversion at a low point in his life in jail for stealing. He’d been a boozer, thief, you name it running from the law, the reason he was in jail. Has an epiphany of the Prophet Elijah Muhammed where upon he becomes converted, Malcolm X and his life begins being sanctified and cleaned up.

    In all these epiphanies I heard, read, seen the “power”, “warmth”, “love”, “everything is going to be alright” theme is central and strong.

    Luther once said that a fool sits in the corner and thinks the Holy Spirit speaks to him, a thousand demons he will hear but not the Holy Spirit. The Spirit does not work without, beside of, in front of, in back of or other wise of the Word. He works through the Word and Sacraments that have the Word, and no where else. Is that “us” boxing in God as often charged? Hardly, God put himself there, we didn’t nor could “box Him in”. And He put Himself where He said He would be FOR US so that we’d know just WHERE to go to take hold of Him savingly and not fall for all these demonic tricks pretending to be God.

    That’s why I’ve always told my wife, “If we were at church about to take the Lord’s Supper, eat and drink the very body and blood of the incarnate God for us where He said He is for us for the forgiveness of sin; and outside the GREATEST miraculous event was going on to which the cry was, “LOOK its god!” DON’T YOU FALL FOR IT, the demon is outside, God, Christ is inside precisely where He said He would be.

    The Word and Sacrament protect us from the false deceptions. Is that not why false teachers at length do away with the sacraments!

    Larry

  2. “That’s why I’ve always told my wife, “If we were at church about to take the Lord’s Supper, eat and drink the very body and blood of the incarnate God for us where He said He is for us for the forgiveness of sin; and outside the GREATEST miraculous event was going on to which the cry was, “LOOK its god!” DON’T YOU FALL FOR IT, the demon is outside, God, Christ is inside precisely where He said He would be.”

    That’s great, Larry!

    I will us that!

    Thanks!

  3. I just shake my head whenever I hear the phrase, “Spirit doing ‘a new thing'”. Really? You mean He’s abandoning His Word and coming up with something new? Now, what was it–“heaven and earth may pass away”…something like that?

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